Survivor + FoW fail = bad? - Guild Wars Forums

Loki Seiguro · Mar 08, 2009, 10:28 PM // 22:28

Before I go into FoW for speed clears with my monk I have a quick question. If the ghost dies and we fail does that count as a death?

Just wondering even though I'd probably just leave or exit GW before that happens.

Shayne Hawke · Mar 08, 2009, 11:49 PM // 23:49

As a rule, I believe that mission failures are not things that count as deaths. You'd probably get a more exact answer from someone who's actually been to FoW before.

Lord Of Blame · Mar 09, 2009, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Sounds like a dangerous way to get the survivor title. You must have a lot more confidence in your FOW abilities than I do of mine. It should not count as a death:

Forced deaths occur whenever damage or health degeneration are not the cause of a character's health reaching zero. These deaths do not count towards the /death command count. In the past, a few of these (especially the cinematic deaths) were bugged and did count, but they have been fixed.

ExamplesFull-party deaths:
Failing a Cooperative Mission (an allied NPC dying or a timer running out, etc.).

Loki Seiguro · Mar 09, 2009, 12:24 AM // 00:24

Cool thanks for replies. And yes I do have confiedence, 20+ runs of each UW and FoW and only 3 failures total. And I play RoJ monk so if anything I just have to w8 for other monks to go in first then go in after.

100k exp per run not including the kills.

Haxor · Mar 09, 2009, 01:24 AM // 01:24

It shouldn't. But there are recorded cases of forced deaths counting towards your killcounter.

poasiods · Mar 09, 2009, 01:39 AM // 01:39

GL and watchout for lag.
I believe that one cinematic from Vizunnah square poses a danger with minion masters... and polymock does in certain cases. That's as far as I know.

Pleikki · Mar 09, 2009, 05:15 AM // 05:15

As what i heard, it counts as death.. ...

Mike Yates · Mar 09, 2009, 06:12 AM // 06:12

I can vouch that mission failures do not count... But vizhuna can count sometimes, I've lost 1 or 2 survs on that mission...

bsoltan · Mar 09, 2009, 07:38 AM // 07:38

Do you have another character you can take in and see if your death counter goes up when you fail?

Loki Seiguro · Mar 09, 2009, 03:12 PM // 15:12

Not a survivor but I can always pay 1k to go in and just pull to fail. I'll try it this weekend and post it here unless someone gets to it before me.

And polmock does count towards death, wiki said so. It also said that ciniematics don't count bu then again bugs are bugs

Rhiana Reborn · Mar 09, 2009, 03:15 PM // 15:15

It's not the cinematic in Vizunah Square. It's the minions going berzerk and killing you - not the scripted deaths.

MisterB · Mar 09, 2009, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Number of deaths upon zoning into FoW:

Number of deaths after Rastigan's defeat:

It doesn't count as a death.

Hyper.nl · Mar 10, 2009, 12:47 PM // 12:47

I wouldn't take the risk. Scripted deaths are not the only danger in FoW. As a rule of thumb: Stay out of any high-end mission if you go for survivor. We have elite skill capping and dwarven boxing for that.

Mordiego · Mar 10, 2009, 01:53 PM // 13:53

after wiki:

Not all deaths are counted as deaths by "/deaths" command. The following circumstances will not affect the progress of Survivor:
...
-Deaths due to mission failure (i.e. due to loss of a mission-critical NPCs or locations) or resignation (the "/resign" command).
...

Loki Seiguro · Mar 10, 2009, 05:25 PM // 17:25

Yeah, I'm still going to check up on it..I'll be able to play this Friday so thats when I'll really check.

- Oh and the minons going berserk doesn't count as it says on wiki.

MisterB · Mar 10, 2009, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by Loki Seiguro

Yeah, I'm still going to check up on it..I'll be able to play this Friday so thats when I'll really check.

- Oh and the minons going berserk doesn't count as it says on wiki.

Look at post # 12. Death count does not increase if NPC perishes in FoW. I ran the test. There are screen shots. Not sure why you ask a question if you don't accept answers. Nothing wrong with testing yourself, but why bother asking if you don't believe the answers provided here and on the wikis?

Loki Seiguro · Mar 12, 2009, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Its not that I don't accept it but like people have said sometimes it is bugged and counts as a death so I might as well go try it myself first.

Also last I checked wiki didn't say anything about npcs did they? If they did then I missed it.

Hollygen · Mar 12, 2009, 07:43 PM // 19:43

The main reason why some of the deaths by cinematic (ie end of Viz) affect death count is due to the actions of minions. You get killed in a scripted death in the cutscene (no effect on death count) which makes all the minions masterless, so you get attacked and killed in the rest of the cutscene.

As others say, mission failures and scripted deaths don't add to death count

Mar 08, 2009, 10:28 PM // 22:28	#1
Loki Seiguro Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: IGN: Scarlet Test Ace Guild: We play Isketch in [HoH] Profession: E/	Survivor + FoW fail = bad? Before I go into FoW for speed clears with my monk I have a quick question. If the ghost dies and we fail does that count as a death? Just wondering even though I'd probably just leave or exit GW before that happens.

Mar 08, 2009, 11:49 PM // 23:49	#2
Shayne Hawke Departed from Tyria Join Date: May 2007 Guild: Clan Dethryche [dth] Profession: R/	As a rule, I believe that mission failures are not things that count as deaths. You'd probably get a more exact answer from someone who's actually been to FoW before.

Mar 09, 2009, 12:15 AM // 00:15	#3
Lord Of Blame Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: USA Guild: Marked Souls [MkS] Profession: E/N	Sounds like a dangerous way to get the survivor title. You must have a lot more confidence in your FOW abilities than I do of mine. It should not count as a death: Forced deaths occur whenever damage or health degeneration are not the cause of a character's health reaching zero. These deaths do not count towards the /death command count. In the past, a few of these (especially the cinematic deaths) were bugged and did count, but they have been fixed. ExamplesFull-party deaths: Failing a Cooperative Mission (an allied NPC dying or a timer running out, etc.).

Mar 09, 2009, 12:24 AM // 00:24	#4
Loki Seiguro Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: IGN: Scarlet Test Ace Guild: We play Isketch in [HoH] Profession: E/	Cool thanks for replies. And yes I do have confiedence, 20+ runs of each UW and FoW and only 3 failures total. And I play RoJ monk so if anything I just have to w8 for other monks to go in first then go in after. 100k exp per run not including the kills.

Mar 09, 2009, 01:24 AM // 01:24	#5
Haxor Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2008 Guild: Legion of the Feng Huang [ASH]	It shouldn't. But there are recorded cases of forced deaths counting towards your killcounter.

Mar 09, 2009, 01:39 AM // 01:39	#6
poasiods Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2008 Profession: R/	GL and watchout for lag. I believe that one cinematic from Vizunnah square poses a danger with minion masters... and polymock does in certain cases. That's as far as I know.

Mar 09, 2009, 05:15 AM // 05:15	#7
Pleikki WTB q8 15^50 Weapons! Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: ???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]	As what i heard, it counts as death.. ...

Mar 09, 2009, 06:12 AM // 06:12	#8
Mike Yates Banned Join Date: Mar 2009	I can vouch that mission failures do not count... But vizhuna can count sometimes, I've lost 1 or 2 survs on that mission...

Mar 09, 2009, 07:38 AM // 07:38	#9
bsoltan Site Contributor Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK Guild: [SoF]	Do you have another character you can take in and see if your death counter goes up when you fail?

Mar 09, 2009, 03:12 PM // 15:12	#10
Loki Seiguro Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: IGN: Scarlet Test Ace Guild: We play Isketch in [HoH] Profession: E/	Not a survivor but I can always pay 1k to go in and just pull to fail. I'll try it this weekend and post it here unless someone gets to it before me. And polmock does count towards death, wiki said so. It also said that ciniematics don't count bu then again bugs are bugs

Mar 09, 2009, 03:15 PM // 15:15	#11
Rhiana Reborn Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2009 Profession: R/	It's not the cinematic in Vizunah Square. It's the minions going berzerk and killing you - not the scripted deaths.

Mar 09, 2009, 04:10 PM // 16:10	#12
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	Number of deaths upon zoning into FoW: Number of deaths after Rastigan's defeat: It doesn't count as a death.

Mar 10, 2009, 12:47 PM // 12:47	#13
Hyper.nl Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Defending Fort Aspenwood Profession: E/	I wouldn't take the risk. Scripted deaths are not the only danger in FoW. As a rule of thumb: Stay out of any high-end mission if you go for survivor. We have elite skill capping and dwarven boxing for that.

Mar 10, 2009, 01:53 PM // 13:53	#14
Mordiego Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Pozna??, UTC+1 Guild: We Are From Poland [Pol] Profession: N/A	after wiki: Not all deaths are counted as deaths by "/deaths" command. The following circumstances will not affect the progress of Survivor: ... -Deaths due to mission failure (i.e. due to loss of a mission-critical NPCs or locations) or resignation (the "/resign" command). ...

Mar 10, 2009, 05:25 PM // 17:25	#15
Loki Seiguro Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: IGN: Scarlet Test Ace Guild: We play Isketch in [HoH] Profession: E/	Yeah, I'm still going to check up on it..I'll be able to play this Friday so thats when I'll really check. - Oh and the minons going berserk doesn't count as it says on wiki.

Mar 12, 2009, 05:43 PM // 17:43	#17
Loki Seiguro Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: IGN: Scarlet Test Ace Guild: We play Isketch in [HoH] Profession: E/	Its not that I don't accept it but like people have said sometimes it is bugged and counts as a death so I might as well go try it myself first. Also last I checked wiki didn't say anything about npcs did they? If they did then I missed it.

Mar 12, 2009, 07:43 PM // 19:43	#18
Hollygen Core Guru Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Guild: Blinkie Ponie Armie [bpa] Profession: R/	The main reason why some of the deaths by cinematic (ie end of Viz) affect death count is due to the actions of minions. You get killed in a scripted death in the cutscene (no effect on death count) which makes all the minions masterless, so you get attacked and killed in the rest of the cutscene. As others say, mission failures and scripted deaths don't add to death count